Open note to one of the boys........

[John Blackthorne]

Amanda...

My post referred to the accusations of rape...in fact, drugging her and raping her that still stand in a certain person's venue.

That fact was unknown to you..but not to me.

I didn't mean to ruffle feathers, but if I had been falsely accused of rape I would have been more vocal about it.

jb

[Edited by John Blackthorne on 03-28-2001 at 08:48 PM]

 

[Ezrlove]

Amanda

"You wanna know why I brought this up again? Because EZrlove did--with his "I'm just keeping quiet"

I didn't bring the subject up. Talisa did on 03-26-2001 10:49 PM

"You only sent me the emails YOU sent HER"

I sent you the emails I sent her and the one and only email she sent me.

You wrote "Every day, guys who do the same thing are all over the country, and they all get away with it...why? Because the girl is a hooker."

What is it that we do and get away with? Please explain
You keep making innuendos but you never explain. If I treated the provider like a hooker I wouldn't take a day off from work and pick her up from the airport. Just so she could see a smiling face when she landed.I wouldn't book a session for 5 hours at the rate of a traveling provider. I wouldn't take her out to dinner and drinks. I wouldn't carry her personal belongings on the date so she didn't have to lug around a purse. She wouldn't have called me a perfect gentleman if I treated her like a hooker.


"Consequences. Yeah, there are consequences. For Ezrlove? Hell no, all he has to do is get a new handle"

I never uttered her name to any hobbyist. So her reputation is in take. You may say that all I have to do is change my handle but she sent all my business information and my name to a person who has a major forum. I am sure that when the rumor was being spread that I am a rapist and a woman beater that my real name was attached to the rumor.


"Ezrlove, dude, I'm sure you're a nice guy and all"

Save your compliments I don't need them or want them.


"but you fucked up"

Again, please explain my mess ups.


"I'm sure you aren't a rapist or a beater or any of that"

If I am not any of those things then what the hell did I do that was so bad? Why are people calling me those things? And if those are the two things that allows a provider to out a client then why did I get outed?


"what I think is you got stupid and you got selfish--and those two are dangerous when you've been drinking and partying with a beautiful girl"

So everything that happens is my responsibility. Are you saying that the provider has no responsibility for her actons?


"when my friend can't even log on to this site because she will get flamed up one side and down the other"

I am sorry maybe I missed it but could you show me where your friend has been mentioned by name. And if she were to get flamed it would be because she broke the number one rule. CONFIDENTIALITY


"Forgive me that I'm mad that everyone wants this swept under the rug all nice and neat and pretty...and no one believes her...or at the very least, they are skeptical"

I will not forgive you. If she had not broken the number one rule then she would not have to worry about what everyone thinks about her. I don't understand, what is it that people don't believe? What is it that people or skeptical about?


For all you guys twho want to know what this is all about just read the post by Talisa on 03-26-2001 10:49 PM. The comment she makes about the guy who had unprotected sex. That was me. I made a very poor judgement. And I have no excuses.

Since that night providers across the nation have heard that she fell a sleep and I raped her. That she woke and I was ontop of her. They have heard that I brutually attacked her. And that black men act this way.

I think what Amanda is trying to say is that I took advantage of the providers trust. That the provider trusted me so much that she drank alittle to much and I knowingly took liberties.

Did I make a mistake? YES. Was there intent? NO














[Edited by ezrlove on 03-28-2001 at 08:58 PM]

 

[guy catelli]

does all this boil down to that someone stuck it in uncovered; and she got mad and told him to leave; and because he followed the ~just don't say anything and it will go away~ advice, this is what happened to him?

[Edited by guy catelli on 03-28-2001 at 08:59 PM]

 

[guy catelli]

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[Edited by slinkybender on 03-29-2001 at 01:49 PM]

 

[Casper]

Originally posted by slinkybender
Ozzie,
On these boards, there is a lot of "action" which revolves around third parties jumping in to do things for "first parties", who have not asked for this "help"
I'm not taking any sides in any of these matters. I just think that if the folks who are actually involved in any matter want to let it die, the rest of us shouldn't be fanning the embers, trying to re-ignite it.

Amen brother and all third parties should not fan the flames. IMHO in a sensative situation such as this one, should you need to know something, email the person directly. I, like SB, dislike and stay away from comenting on these types of situations because what goes around, comes around.
Had the details not been mentioned on here, I would still have been content in not knowing who the parties were in the discussion.
I hope for all concerned, that this blows over soon.

Peace out
C

 

[littleguy]

Amanda,

Ezrlove just told us here what HE said happened.

Care to explain your understanding of the events, or BETTER STILL, have the lady explain her side of he story.

Does this sound familar to anybody, or is it just me ?

 

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by Ezrlove
Amanda,

"You wanna know why I brought this up again? Because EZrlove did--with his "I'm just keeping quiet"

I didn't bring the subject up. Talisa did on 03-26-2001 10:49 PM

"You only sent me the emails YOU sent HER"

I sent you the emails I sent her and the one and only email she sent me.

You wrote "Every day, guys who do the same thing are all over the country, and they all get away with it...why? Because the girl is a hooker."

What is it that we do and get away with? Please explain
You keep making innuendos but you never explain. If I treated the provider like a hooker I wouldn't take a day off from work and pick her up from the airport. Just so she could see a smiling face when she landed.I wouldn't book a session for 5 hours at the rate of a traveling provider. I wouldn't take her out to dinner and drinks. I wouldn't carry her personal belongings on the date so she didn't have to lug around a purse. She wouldn't have called me a perfect gentleman if I treated her like a hooker.

"Consequences. Yeah, there are consequences. For Ezrlove? Hell no, all he has to do is get a new handle"

I never uttered her name to any hobbyist. So her reputation is in take. You may say that all I have to do is change my handle but she sent all my business information and my name to a person who has a major forum. I am sure that when the rumor was being spread that I am a rapist and a woman beater that my real name was attached to the rumor.

"Ezrlove, dude, I'm sure you're a nice guy and all"

Save your compliments I don't need them or want them.

"but you fucked up"

Again, please explain my mess ups.

"I'm sure you aren't a rapist or a beater or any of that"

If I am not any of those things then what the hell did I do that was so bad? Why are people calling me those things? And if those are the two things that allows a provider to out a client then why did I get outed?

"what I think is you got stupid and you got selfish--and those two are dangerous when you've been drinking and partying with a beautiful girl"

So everything that happens is my responsibility. Are you saying that the provider has no responsibility for her actons?

"when my friend can't even log on to this site because she will get flamed up one side and down the other"

I am sorry maybe I missed it but could you show me where your friend has been mentioned by name. And if she were to get flamed it would be because she broke the number one rule. CONFIDENTIALITY

"Forgive me that I'm mad that everyone wants this swept under the rug all nice and neat and pretty...and no one believes her...or at the very least, they are skeptical"

I will not forgive you. If she had not broken the number one rule then she would not have to worry about what everyone thinks about her. I don't understand, what is it that people don't believe? What is it that people or skeptical about?

For all you guys twho want to know what this is all about just read the post by Talisa on 03-26-2001 10:49 PM. The comment she makes about the guy who had unprotected sex. That was me. I made a very poor judgement. And I have no excuses.

Since that night providers across the nation have heard that she fell a sleep and I raped her. That she woke and I was ontop of her. They have heard that I brutually attacked her. And that black men act this way.

I think what Amanda is trying to say is that I took advantage of the providers trust. That the provider trusted me so much that she drank alittle to much and I knowingly took liberties.

Did I make a mistake? YES. Was there intent? NO

ref: "You wanna know why I brought this up again? Because EZrlove did--with his "I'm just keeping quiet"

I didn't bring the subject up. Talisa did on 03-26-2001 10:49 PM

Amanda, *you* tipped over the bee hive by trying to 'spin' Talisa's post on why she had no faith in escort-only networks.

you just got 'outspun', hon.



[Edited by guy catelli on 03-29-2001 at 12:05 AM]

 

[Amanda Witherspoon]

C-ya! I am done, cooked, burned....

Please check your email, Little Guy. I think you'll understand why I won't respond to Ezrlove.

SB, I really meant that SHE feels she can't come on here and post...she doesn't want to, anyway...

That's all--I'm outtie.

Food for thought: I'm not anybody's lawyer or spokesperson--but she and I are best friends. I am not advocating her, per se...but I am advocating against irreprehensible behavior.

Amanda

 

[candie]

Gosh how I hate drama queens, how come she went out on a booking the VERY NEXT DAY?

I don't respect providers who drink so much on a booking!

 

[Slinky Bender]

Amanda,
I'm sorry if she feels that way. As I said, I don't think it's warranted, but we often can't help what we feel.

 

[SkellyChamp]

Littleguy,
I didn't want to be the one to say it, but now that you did.. oh yeah very familiar. Eerily similar don't you think.

Sort of like watching The Philadelphia Story back to back. The first with Kate, Cary and Jimmy and then the one with Grace, Frank and Bing. Same story, different players.

Curious as to how this all makes you feel now that you are outside looking in. Any different prespectives. Ozzy too.

 

[Ozzy]

just so you know....i never faulted anyone in that other issue on jag....it was the whole situation that the YOUNG girl was in(her drinking and those posts that alluded to it) that lead to things like that. i always said(and told this to BOTH who were involved...."that only two people were in that room, and i wasn't one of them". my prespective hasn't changed one bit.......


btw, that new review(on that young girl) that mentions how heavy she drinks and how bombed they both got, won't help things much in the near future for her.....except that this time around....i wont be there to help her because, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT!


BUT LET JUST SEE HOW RIGHT I WAS WHEN IT COMES TO POSTING THINGS LIKE THAT.






[Edited by Ozzy on 03-29-2001 at 06:39 AM]

 

[guy catelli]

Re: C-ya! I am done, cooked, burned....

Originally posted by Amanda Witherspoon
I am not advocating her, per se...but I am advocating against irreprehensible behavior.

Amanda

Amanda,

you have some nerve, at this juncture, calling anyone else's behavior reprehensible.

a client who had a few stuck it in uncovered. by that standard, i think a lot of us have been "irreprehensible".

but, how many of us, as an officious and intermeddling 3rd party, have conducted an, at first, *secret* war, and then, an increasingly public *smear* campaign of nasty innuendo to destroy a man who just happens to be black -- trying to live his life by the same rules as the rest of us, and, on the whole, doing a vastly better job of it than most people of whatever color?

he made one miscall in a moment of passion, for which he has suffered beyond all proportion to the offense. he has {at long last} made a full public accounting and accepted his share of responsibility.

we have yet to hear one word from you about the ethics of a professional, in *any* profession, getting drunk while 'on duty', and then silently abetting a campaign to destroy her client for the predictable consequences of her own unprofessionalism.

the bottom line is that his offense was momentary, spontaneous, and without malice. yours has been calculating, premeditated, malicious, and has continued even unto your most recent post.

maybe your m.o. is working for you in cow towns in the heartland. but, it's bombed big-time in ny and la.




[Edited by guy catelli on 03-29-2001 at 08:38 AM]

 

[SkellyChamp]

Ozzy

I am very a familiar about what went on over there and yours and everyone else's role. I was just curious if what happened here changed or colored your views at all of that event.

Guy,

No one can dispute that I'm not your biggest fan (or that you should give 2 shits about that fact). But I'm not above (or below) chiming in when you make a post that I agree with (for the most part anyway). Good post.

 

[guy catelli]

please allow me to retore some balance here. my long-held view remains unchanged that Miss Witherspoon is a person of far higher character than most.

as noted already, i paid her cash up-front a month in advance of our appointment, without the slightest concern that she would betray my trust. (believe me on this one,) there are few people to whom i would extend such trust, in any calling.

further, at no advantage to herself, she knowingly subjected herself to great subsequent public abuse, and threatened boycott, for publicly posting her a *very* favorable review of me as a client. it's called "character".

but, alas, idealism is an imperfect moral compass. and, as i noted to her earlier, just after the bookish Roberta had taken some gentle teasing about her gift list, sometimes we are more aggressive in defense of another than we would be in defense of ourself.

i once made a complete fool of myself in attacking someone on behalf of (and at the instigation of) an escort who turned out to be not a fellow idealist, but rather a crass opportunist.

thus, the Achilles heel of the idealist is the risk of losing 'perspective'. when a friend is hurt, we lose sight of our friend's part in the matter, and whatever mitigating qualities our friend's enemy (of the moment) might possess.


meanwhile, Miss Witherspoon has gotten herself knee deep in a cow pasture on a rainy day in spring.

the second wisest bit of folk wisdom i've ever heard is a part of the refrain in Kenny Roger's hit tune, The Gambler: "You gotta know when to hold 'em, and when to fold 'em..." Miss Witherspoon held onto a bad hand way too long, and wound up feeling like she had been driven from the table.

TC might be interested to know that back home in Houston, Miss Witherspoon has made a custom of running occasional 'specials', so that Wal-Mart shoppers can sometimes have the same experiences as the Armani-oids.

few escorts are so big-hearted. indeed, few human beings are as big-hearted as Miss Witherspoon (takes one to know one, hon ). let's just say this was an occasion when too much feeling with her heart, and too little thinking with her head, led to a major 'blonde moment'.



[Edited by slinkybender on 03-29-2001 at 02:04 PM]

 

[Ozzy]

skelly...

as i said "my prespective hasn't changed one bit".......


the only diference is......now, i mind my own business. that and to keep private things......PRIVATE!

 

[Slinky Bender]

As much as I hate doing things like this, I think this thread has long ago gone past anything truly useful. I reiterate my call to try and stay out of what should be other peoples business. i know how much fun it can be, but that's why Jerry Springer is on 4 times a day.

 

[Slinky Bender]

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