A rant...or why do you guys undermine the earning potential of UG
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For me, personally, I would agree. But a marketplace doesn't work that way.
You are worth what you can get. If enough people feel that sex with the best looking, most talented, providers isn't worth more that $300/hr than that is what the market will balance out at, generally. There will still be nitches that operate above and below that figure, using different criteria that augments or changes the pricing structure as compared to the common market.
It is simply how things like this work.
So you don't blame the marketplace for being the marketplace. You attempt to understand it and than use that understanding to find where you fit in it, at a price you are willing to spend, generating the best result for your capital outlay.
You are worth what you can get. If enough people feel that sex with the best looking, most talented, providers isn't worth more that $300/hr than that is what the market will balance out at, generally. There will still be nitches that operate above and below that figure, using different criteria that augments or changes the pricing structure as compared to the common market.
It is simply how things like this work.
So you don't blame the marketplace for being the marketplace. You attempt to understand it and than use that understanding to find where you fit in it, at a price you are willing to spend, generating the best result for your capital outlay.
And btw, the women who know how to use UG to their best advantage have always made out VERY well. Despite being occassionally whacked about a bit.
Betty has weathered some heavy thumping from time to time, and her business did very well from the UG exposure. MIki has taken your lumps from time to time as well, but her business has what, quintrupled, since she became involved here.
Miki's friends are slow witted in the business department if it is simply the "male attitude" that keeps them off UG [there are other reasons, such as perhaps wanting to stay UTR which being on UG makes tougher to do that make much more sense]. As far as UG goes the old adage about, "I don't care what they say about me as long as they spell my name right", was never more true.
Even a bad review around here, after the white knights come out, is a revenue generator.
Betty has weathered some heavy thumping from time to time, and her business did very well from the UG exposure. MIki has taken your lumps from time to time as well, but her business has what, quintrupled, since she became involved here.
Miki's friends are slow witted in the business department if it is simply the "male attitude" that keeps them off UG [there are other reasons, such as perhaps wanting to stay UTR which being on UG makes tougher to do that make much more sense]. As far as UG goes the old adage about, "I don't care what they say about me as long as they spell my name right", was never more true.
Even a bad review around here, after the white knights come out, is a revenue generator.
STANDING OVATION
I hate to say this but it's one of those things where this should have hit home across the board [literally] but instead is going to register with those that already knew it and fly right past those who never got it in the first place.
Thus, at some point down the line, you will be saying it again.
[I'll cross my fingers for ya and hope for the best]
I hate to say this but it's one of those things where this should have hit home across the board [literally] but instead is going to register with those that already knew it and fly right past those who never got it in the first place.
Thus, at some point down the line, you will be saying it again.
[I'll cross my fingers for ya and hope for the best]
Actually the problem here of late is the low end guys knocking anything more than they're willing to spend. Most of those who spend mid-high end started low end and worked their way up. I don't see too many mid or high end guys calling $40 AMP or HJ guys nuts... nor do I see high end guys telling 100/hr girls their nuts and don't belong here.................. it's the other way around.
Example.... I never said Julies girls weren't worth the 150-200 she was charging... I thought they were worth every penny. I just argued that they weren't better than the typical 300 and up girl like they were all claiming.
There's a difference here.
the thorny truth....
Besides April and Betty, no one ever honestly admits to exactly how much traffic they get from UG. They're probably afraid Bender will raise the advertising fee if they tell him. And if it didn't send business.... then why keep paying for useless ads?
I know how much business my Brazilian friends got from this place, I know how much business my madam friends got from here. I also know how much interest there was in you from just an exclusive private board (with barely a hundred members) where your contact info was posted.... So I don't for a second believe Miki or Kimmie when they say they get little or nothing from a site with over 30,000 members. Miki, Kimmie, Betty and all the others sucked PLENTY of dicks thru this site.... Just look at all the guys here who've reviewed them, or admitted seeing them, for a sampling.
Bender could supply more accurate numbers, but I think there's anywhere from 10-20 lurkers for every poster. So safe to say you can probably multiply those tricks who've admitted seeing those girls by at least ten. And I'm not even counting those active posters who are embarrased to admit they've seen them or those who don't wish to connect a board persona with their RL identities.
Thorny knows what he's talking about.
Besides April and Betty, no one ever honestly admits to exactly how much traffic they get from UG. They're probably afraid Bender will raise the advertising fee if they tell him. And if it didn't send business.... then why keep paying for useless ads?
I know how much business my Brazilian friends got from this place, I know how much business my madam friends got from here. I also know how much interest there was in you from just an exclusive private board (with barely a hundred members) where your contact info was posted.... So I don't for a second believe Miki or Kimmie when they say they get little or nothing from a site with over 30,000 members. Miki, Kimmie, Betty and all the others sucked PLENTY of dicks thru this site.... Just look at all the guys here who've reviewed them, or admitted seeing them, for a sampling.
Bender could supply more accurate numbers, but I think there's anywhere from 10-20 lurkers for every poster. So safe to say you can probably multiply those tricks who've admitted seeing those girls by at least ten. And I'm not even counting those active posters who are embarrased to admit they've seen them or those who don't wish to connect a board persona with their RL identities.
Thorny knows what he's talking about.
the horny truth
oz, i would not comment on what i don't know, including what business your friends have made on UG. april has also stated that she got a lot of business here, and i have no doubt april is telling the truth!
i also believe that miki is telling the truth about her own business experience here. hopefully she will comment here if she wants to revise her truth. the lady started the thread to talk about encouraging advertisers, for crying out loud! if she wanted to tell a fib to further her ends, she would say she earned gazillions here.
besides, thorn can be a bit presumptuous sometimes... ever since the vibrator incident, i feel a need to put him in check when he gets carried away with himself
oz, i would not comment on what i don't know, including what business your friends have made on UG. april has also stated that she got a lot of business here, and i have no doubt april is telling the truth!
i also believe that miki is telling the truth about her own business experience here. hopefully she will comment here if she wants to revise her truth. the lady started the thread to talk about encouraging advertisers, for crying out loud! if she wanted to tell a fib to further her ends, she would say she earned gazillions here.
besides, thorn can be a bit presumptuous sometimes... ever since the vibrator incident, i feel a need to put him in check when he gets carried away with himself
As a long time member of UG and a consumer of p4p services, let me continue to add my 2 cents here.
1) I have no posted nearly as many reviews as ladies I've seen (addressing why not many reviews on UG advertisers)
2) I've done my darndest to not associate myself with my UG handle when I've booked with a UG advertiser or advertiser from another site. (mainly for privacy reasons but also so I can post an unbiased review)
3) I've heard from a few ladies (one time UG advertisers, etc) that most guys will be like me re: #2 above.
I don't see how a site like UG with ads, reviews and posts by the ladies cannot be more of a better reference source that just an advertising site like Eros. I know that if I was to see an ad on Eros, I'd got scrounging around to other site searching for a review. and I tend to trust the reviews on UG more than any other site, perhaps because I'm a participant here AND the membership tends to call a shill/bogus reviewer out on the carpet.
1) I have no posted nearly as many reviews as ladies I've seen (addressing why not many reviews on UG advertisers)
2) I've done my darndest to not associate myself with my UG handle when I've booked with a UG advertiser or advertiser from another site. (mainly for privacy reasons but also so I can post an unbiased review)
3) I've heard from a few ladies (one time UG advertisers, etc) that most guys will be like me re: #2 above.
I don't see how a site like UG with ads, reviews and posts by the ladies cannot be more of a better reference source that just an advertising site like Eros. I know that if I was to see an ad on Eros, I'd got scrounging around to other site searching for a review. and I tend to trust the reviews on UG more than any other site, perhaps because I'm a participant here AND the membership tends to call a shill/bogus reviewer out on the carpet.
Taken from a major city sub-board of a 'non-nasty' site
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Posted by Ayanna , Sat, Aug 13, 2005, 09:55:37 Post Reply Forum
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Morning everyone,
I'm sitting here with my morning coffee and it is a such a beautiful day, I'm very happy. I was in a dark negative mood and I don't like that. I will not go into too much detail, and I refuse to name names. I'm comfortable with these things I'm about to post. I feel the need to share and I'm going to, but it isn't at the expense of others, that is not my way.
I haven't been around for a long time. I guess I started posting on the boards back in February, under a different handle though. Anyway I have come across some really great people, men and women alike. I have had the pleasure of *****ing people and asking their advice on certain things. I have even called some (good, reputable) ladies when I was in a slight pinch when I needed some quick advice, actually more than once. She did not mind at all, took the time to speak with me and gave me some helpful tips and I will never forget that.
I have had the pleasure of meeting some great gentlemen. I have even sought advice from some of you via ***** and vice versa. I have to admit, I was really amazed with this hobby and how everything worked.
I have also had the displeasure of running into some rather distasteful men. Some have been well known posters, some not. It doesn't matter. I have had some guys take cheap shots at me when they have realized they failed my screening. It always seems as if when you don't do something someone wants, mean, nasty vile things spew from their mouths. I'm seeing more and more of this now. That's life though. Unfortunately, yes I took some of these things to heart. BIG MISTAKE!! Let me tell you, that WILL NOT happen again! Time to move on!
I do like communicating via ***** to past present & future clients, I have no problem with that. That is because I want to. I have realized that is a big no no as well, as it totally depends upon who it is you are communicating with. Sometimes people view kindness as a weakness and prey on it. I'm not a weak person. I'm strong minded and strive to reach certain goals I have set for myself in life. I treat people the way I want to be treated.
Maybe I should become a person who sees that if I've gone over 1/2 an hour expect to be paid for it, but you know I just can't seem to do that. Sometimes people need someone to talk with and I cannot tear myself away from a damn good conversation and just kick someone out the door. Yup, I enjoy conversation too much. Yes, some of you may think me crazy for being this way, but this is the way I bond with some great clients. For the ones who don't take advantage this is great for me. All ladies run their business they way they choose.
Alright, quick & to the point I enjoy this hobby very much. There will always be a negative and a positive side of things. I need to be a bit more picky about my clients, I really thought I was doing a great job up until now. The first time a client ever refers to another provider in a negative fashion, I will hand you your bloody envelope back and tell you to get the hell out. If this is done after services rendered, you will be out on your a** in a heartbeat, no giving the envelope back at all. DO NOT send me stupid a** *****s about other providers' problems, that is none of my damn business. I don't care what you guys hear on the backchannel, keep it to yourselves! If you are talking to me about other providers, I know bloody well you are talking about my a**!!!
Cut throat sh**, manipulation and game playing I'm not into. I was in this position & pretty much shocked when I received said *****s and I lost what respect I had for this person. At first I thought it was just something he thought he could trust me with, as I never said a word about it to anyone else. I see his true colors now and don't want anything else to do with him. He was not a regular client either, it has been 2 months since our last meeting.
No, I will not share the information I have. I did delete those *****s, but they are still in my sent box pretty much with my replies. I didn't like being in that position. If I were to post crap like that, it would hurt other ladies and I refuse to do that. I'm just telling you all, there will be no drama, I'm just saying what is on my mind and if some of you don't like it, BITE ME.
Manipulation. I don't like someone thinking they have control over me either. I plan on raising my rates as of September 1st. Clients that see me weekly, bi-weekly or once per month are those that I consider to be "regulars", and will be "Grandfathered" into my old rates. There are plenty of gentlemen who understand these things, some do not.
First starting out on different sites before even posting on these boards, I advertised under massage at my massage rates. I had nobody to school me and I was afraid to advertise under escort, so hence the different pricings. I won't allow anyone to hold that over my head. It wasn't until I had my website built that I gained enough confidence to label myself as an escort, this was a whole new world to me.
I was way too eager with locking clients into my old rates at $100 per additional hour. Yes, that was "my mistake", I'm human and I'm learning. I still have a lot of clients at those rates because they see me on a regular basis. Some haven't seen me in quite some time and expect those old rates to still apply, and I'm sorry but they do not.
Alright, I feel a hell of a lot better after expressing myself.
Thank you all for listening.
xoxoxoxox <<<<<
I guess that's how they manage to have the rep of being so 'clean'; all their dirt gets passed around backchannel, rather than being mostly out in the open and on-board like UG.
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Posted by Ayanna , Sat, Aug 13, 2005, 09:55:37 Post Reply Forum
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Morning everyone,
I'm sitting here with my morning coffee and it is a such a beautiful day, I'm very happy. I was in a dark negative mood and I don't like that. I will not go into too much detail, and I refuse to name names. I'm comfortable with these things I'm about to post. I feel the need to share and I'm going to, but it isn't at the expense of others, that is not my way.
I haven't been around for a long time. I guess I started posting on the boards back in February, under a different handle though. Anyway I have come across some really great people, men and women alike. I have had the pleasure of *****ing people and asking their advice on certain things. I have even called some (good, reputable) ladies when I was in a slight pinch when I needed some quick advice, actually more than once. She did not mind at all, took the time to speak with me and gave me some helpful tips and I will never forget that.
I have had the pleasure of meeting some great gentlemen. I have even sought advice from some of you via ***** and vice versa. I have to admit, I was really amazed with this hobby and how everything worked.
I have also had the displeasure of running into some rather distasteful men. Some have been well known posters, some not. It doesn't matter. I have had some guys take cheap shots at me when they have realized they failed my screening. It always seems as if when you don't do something someone wants, mean, nasty vile things spew from their mouths. I'm seeing more and more of this now. That's life though. Unfortunately, yes I took some of these things to heart. BIG MISTAKE!! Let me tell you, that WILL NOT happen again! Time to move on!
I do like communicating via ***** to past present & future clients, I have no problem with that. That is because I want to. I have realized that is a big no no as well, as it totally depends upon who it is you are communicating with. Sometimes people view kindness as a weakness and prey on it. I'm not a weak person. I'm strong minded and strive to reach certain goals I have set for myself in life. I treat people the way I want to be treated.
Maybe I should become a person who sees that if I've gone over 1/2 an hour expect to be paid for it, but you know I just can't seem to do that. Sometimes people need someone to talk with and I cannot tear myself away from a damn good conversation and just kick someone out the door. Yup, I enjoy conversation too much. Yes, some of you may think me crazy for being this way, but this is the way I bond with some great clients. For the ones who don't take advantage this is great for me. All ladies run their business they way they choose.
Alright, quick & to the point I enjoy this hobby very much. There will always be a negative and a positive side of things. I need to be a bit more picky about my clients, I really thought I was doing a great job up until now. The first time a client ever refers to another provider in a negative fashion, I will hand you your bloody envelope back and tell you to get the hell out. If this is done after services rendered, you will be out on your a** in a heartbeat, no giving the envelope back at all. DO NOT send me stupid a** *****s about other providers' problems, that is none of my damn business. I don't care what you guys hear on the backchannel, keep it to yourselves! If you are talking to me about other providers, I know bloody well you are talking about my a**!!!
Cut throat sh**, manipulation and game playing I'm not into. I was in this position & pretty much shocked when I received said *****s and I lost what respect I had for this person. At first I thought it was just something he thought he could trust me with, as I never said a word about it to anyone else. I see his true colors now and don't want anything else to do with him. He was not a regular client either, it has been 2 months since our last meeting.
No, I will not share the information I have. I did delete those *****s, but they are still in my sent box pretty much with my replies. I didn't like being in that position. If I were to post crap like that, it would hurt other ladies and I refuse to do that. I'm just telling you all, there will be no drama, I'm just saying what is on my mind and if some of you don't like it, BITE ME.
Manipulation. I don't like someone thinking they have control over me either. I plan on raising my rates as of September 1st. Clients that see me weekly, bi-weekly or once per month are those that I consider to be "regulars", and will be "Grandfathered" into my old rates. There are plenty of gentlemen who understand these things, some do not.
First starting out on different sites before even posting on these boards, I advertised under massage at my massage rates. I had nobody to school me and I was afraid to advertise under escort, so hence the different pricings. I won't allow anyone to hold that over my head. It wasn't until I had my website built that I gained enough confidence to label myself as an escort, this was a whole new world to me.
I was way too eager with locking clients into my old rates at $100 per additional hour. Yes, that was "my mistake", I'm human and I'm learning. I still have a lot of clients at those rates because they see me on a regular basis. Some haven't seen me in quite some time and expect those old rates to still apply, and I'm sorry but they do not.
Alright, I feel a hell of a lot better after expressing myself.
Thank you all for listening.
xoxoxoxox <<<<<
I guess that's how they manage to have the rep of being so 'clean'; all their dirt gets passed around backchannel, rather than being mostly out in the open and on-board like UG.
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oz, i would not comment on what i don't know, including what business your friends have made on UG. april has also stated that she got a lot of business here, and i have no doubt april is telling the truth!
i also believe that miki is telling the truth about her own business experience here. hopefully she will comment here if she wants to revise her truth. the lady started the thread to talk about encouraging advertisers, for crying out loud! if she wanted to tell a fib to further her ends, she would say she earned gazillions here.
besides, thorn can be a bit presumptuous sometimes... ever since the vibrator incident, i feel a need to put him in check when he gets carried away with himself
i also believe that miki is telling the truth about her own business experience here. hopefully she will comment here if she wants to revise her truth. the lady started the thread to talk about encouraging advertisers, for crying out loud! if she wanted to tell a fib to further her ends, she would say she earned gazillions here.
besides, thorn can be a bit presumptuous sometimes... ever since the vibrator incident, i feel a need to put him in check when he gets carried away with himself
Thorn presumptuous? Carried away with himself? Ha!...Never.
But we disagree with our takes on Miki and others who've started similar threads like this (this is surely not the first).
Girls on this board have tried to change it before and turn this place into something it's not. Kimmie, ********, Greek Girl, ValerieXXX (not AATR)... the list goes on. They want bigdog and ***. They want a fluff fest with no one saying anything negetive about them and still reap the benefits of posting here.... It's not going to happen. If it ever does UG goes into the toilet as a useful source jut like the rest.
And as I said... I know supply side makes plenty here... Or else they wouldn't put up with like likes of Vermeer day in and day out. As April would say..."I think of Vermeer and smile all the way to the bank". Kimmie used to insult our intelligence by saying how she never saw anyone from here, how her ads yeilded no results. Other times she'd say how she would turn away clients if they told her they were from UG... She saw no one from here. Yet half the fucking board has writen that they've plowed her ass... She'd put an ad up on a monday morning... Billy S would slam her in the afternoon and by tuesday she'd get Bender to pull her ad.
I'm tired of listening to the same shit from a bunch of 'crying all the way to the bank' ho's. If the ads didn't pay off no one would renew them. You wanna not undermine the earning potential of UG... stop with all the complaints, pay your bill on time and tell your friends it really does pay to advertise here.
Miki can start a hundred threads like this... but by saying in ONE POST that she gets little or no business is undermining the earning potential of UG way more so than a thousand Vermeers.
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